I'm SO behind on LJ. But trying to catch up and was startled by the interesting conversations on Faith 'scattered' about the LJ universe. RDM has purposely hit Trigger Buttons with faithful folks and those disgusted by those who claim the labels of Faith. He's admitted to trying to "make people think" and though I admire his crafted way of presenting this, I also gnaw a bit on my lip that MY Faith is presented as an 'inhuman obedience'.... ALL while enjoying the show! LOL
I am interested in others opinions when they are respectfully stated. And, a sense of humor sure helps when opinions are frustrations expressed in the heat of the moment. Having Faith is not automatically the revelation of a glowing spine of violence that snaps the necks of babies and obliterates the universe. It's not a disease or a growth that needs to be treated. It's not a guarantee of mindlessness or pain OR Joy. Like I said, RDM is presenting thot provoking commentary on 'the times' purposely. His opinions are no more 'correct' than mine. His interpretations are no more etched in stone than mine. But his DO agree with the current trend of expressions among the demographic he & SciFi market toward. When I keep this in mind, I find the conversation much more refreshing and the folks I read become Real People instead of statistics. I pray the same is applied to me, despite where I fall in the stats. ::grin::
greenpear had some groovy Grrrr posted yesterday and I ended up with this long reply, rather than clutter up his journal with MY opinion of life, I stuck it here. That Grumpy Old Man & Whiny Bastard makes me think - and laugh. Honest expression deserves thought and I thank him for the moments of coffee ponders....
IMHO...
I believe: God set the universe in motion. Weather happens as a result of this motion. God is interested in every little thing. He's nosey and I’m thankful for that. The core belief of my faith is not 'suffer to be rewarded by heaven' - tho I have heard this proclaimed. The core of my faith is walking with a living God who not only listens but also responds with laughter and tears while giving me the energy I need. In time, this flesh I am trapped within will croak and return to dust and my heart/ soul will amble along with God As He Is. This eventuality it is a by-product of living faith. It’s not a 'reward' like a gold star on a potty chart. That just doesn't work for me. It COULD all be 'just now' and when I return to dust I dissipate - that's OK by me. I enjoy God laughing with me and crying with me and showering me in the energy to Find Joy on the days I need a microscope to observe it. I am thankful I am not alone. If I screw it up at the last hour - I won't regret the ones spent in faith and love that came before.
I believe good exists, evil exists. We are all his creation – world, trees, rocks, sand, dogs, fish, sky, weather, PEOPLE. How could he 'take sides' in Iraq? He'd really rather we 'share' and 'play nicely with each other'... so would I. Did he do it 6000 years ago? 12000000000000 years ago? Gosh, I wasn't there. He was pretty darn specific about a great many things, but not that – only that the world was created. Like that ‘eternal reward,’ the When & How of creation is simply irrelevant to "how then I live"... what is important is the CARE I demonstrate for what was created. However, eager curiosity about the how and when is not a sin, neither is examining the bones, cells and beauty of life. Figuring it out – the how and when – probably won’t be this Wowie thing that changes or Ends the entire world. Not figuring it out probably won’t Change or End the world. He cares that we care – that we are gentle with each other and creation, ALL creation IMHO.
I believe prayer is answered. I believe that those who seek aid receive it; not always in the way we expect. I believe those who say there is no aid to seek; receive it unawares or ignore it as suspicious or assign aid as 'coincidence' or 'self'. I believe, sometimes, other folks are answers to prayers we were afraid to utter. I believe wishes are prayers disguised even from ourselves. ::grin::
I don't believe God sent a lightening bolt to Pennsylvania - weather was set in motion long ago. I do believe that prayer for the child, the family and the medical folks could make a difference. Just as I believe the prayers for those where the tsunami hit - the rescuers - the survivors - the re-builders will/ do matter. Weather happens. I prayed for the hurricane to dissipate, was it just another 'hurricane preparation' - unnecessary in this instance? Opinions will vary ::grin:: I know that if the hurricane had smashed my home to bits, despite my prayers, He would have given me the energy (and sense of humor)to live in the sheet tent tossed over a clothes line that is all could afford to replace our tree house with. LOL
I believe Mercy (not just compassion, but Mercy) is genuine - but not a trait we, as a race of folks on the planet - are born with. It can be understood and desired but it doesn't bubble from us naturally. When it shows itself, I see God in action. I also see that it's hotter than the hinges of Hades around here and that doesn't motivate me either ... I'm such a square peg on a round world. I enjoy grumpy people but darned if I can muster much of it myself. ::grin::
July 20 2005, 11:44:12 UTC 6 years ago
I little history, I grew up in a Roman Catholic household before Vatican I. The church, as well as a large part of the religion, was frightening. These stories were worse than the original Grimm's Fairy tales. Everything that you did could "possibly" condemn you to hell.
I decided to seek other avenues.
Other religions
For years I looked into many other religious viewpoints: Zen Buddhist, Paganism, & Native American nature beliefs. None of these answered the many questions I had. That's when I turned toward a scientific explanation. But even that didn't give me the answers I thought it should. There were still questions without answers. There had to be something else.
God's directing hand
That's when I sort of combined the two. Why couldn't god have been the driving force behind all of this. Directing the universe... on a grand scale. And this is where my viewpoint diverges from most of the faiths. I don't believe that god regularly interferes in our everyday lives. He's just too busy running the universe to be able to check in on everybody in the world. And just how many
worldssolar systemsgalaxiesuniversesother dimension are there for him to check in on?Some people call that karma. I thought about that before but it seemed a little too random and unanswerable to it's ways and means.
Good vs. Evil
I believe in god. I don't believe in an evil antagonist. The fight between good and evil is a personal thing. And some people just happen to lose the battle and do very evil things.
Yes, it's something people must learn... and some people just never learn it.
So all-in-all I enjoy those posts that counterpoint my beliefs in order to learn more about what makes people who they are. And it helps people in finding out who I am.
July 20 2005, 16:34:08 UTC 6 years ago
I hadn't thot about the "hay, what DO you believe?" thing in a while, it's always good to examine, take stock. I just didn't wanna clutter up Your universe with my ponders.
I also grew up Catholic. I was blessed to be born right at VaticanII - bt it was slooooow to be applied. I investigated, it's the rational thing to do, right? I found, like you, I didn't Need to know Everything to find Peace, Hope, Strength. The Karma thing IS too random for me but I recognize life often appears way more random that it is. And for many of us, that is more comfortable than the "you're going to roast for bad thots" stuff shoved down their throats.
Evil / Good = boy is that ancient frustration or what? Hmmm, I do believe in an evil protagonist but not the pitchforked cloven hoofed thing. As I can accept God as spirt, my future as spirit, I can accept evil expressed this way. However, "the devil made me do it" just doesn't work for me. That we each have the potential of good/ evil - choices made or Not made is the "who" of made someone do it. Do I believe the whisper in our ear to tempt us toward temptation to do or not do is a genuine spirit that's roaming around looking to scarf folks....? I think I do. Six years ago I would have been adamantly "oh yeah"... 10 years ago, I didn't think so. Life, study and such changes opinions and understanding and is one of the things I find so Groovy. Even IF I'm wrong this week - gosh, next week, I might just get it right and if not - my focus remains on living gently w/hope.
Again, thanks for the Grrr and Thots!
July 20 2005, 16:56:57 UTC 6 years ago
He's the same person as before but he's now found the path he wants to tread. I'm glad he found what he wanted.
Really the belief's the thing. I couldn't deal with the pre-Vatican II, "If you think bad thoughts about a girl you is evil, EVIL, EVIL!!! And that whole thing that the devil is constantly trying to tempt you to do bad things in order to make you lose your soul didn't sound right either. So do exactly what the church tells you to do and you'll be okay.
There are good people - there are bad people - the are good people that do bad things - there bad people that do good things. It's when you get the bad people that do bad things that the situation gets really mucked up.
One thing I should mention about my beliefs. I don't believe in an afterlife. The deeds you do here and now are your sum total. After that, it's somebody elses turn.
And by the way, go back and check out my original posting about the lightning strike. There's an anonymous poster that's getting interesting. I posted an old comedy piece, "Everyone should believe in something... I believe I'll have another beer!" He didn't get it was a joke and was wondering why I said that everyone should believe in something.